posted 10-22-2008 11:14 PM            

I'll bite. WHO WAS THE EXAMINER THAT DID THE TESTS IN THE SAN DIEGO AREA FOR THE MONGOLS GANG AS A CLIENT ?????????? WAS IT A PEOA TYPE------ I JUST GOTTA KNOW !!!! GOD, PLEASE TELL ME IT WAS ----G R O G A N !!! Let Xmas come early this year before Halloween !!!! It says on GM's coverage of it that this person is an unindicted co-conspirator !!!

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posted 10-23-2008 10:01 AM            

Grogan has been known to work this geographic area as in the case of the Miracle Ranch case where He and a Crony named Sal ripped off this non-profit Christian ministry in doing pseudo tests in both the U.S. and Mexico with test questions that boggle the mind; this in the same week he did the anal porno movie I found last Spring. Here is the link to the orphonage case with test questions.
http://miracle-ranch.org/category/polygraph-tests/

posted 10-23-2008 10:47 AM            

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posted 10-23-2008 02:36 PM            

Grogan's got to be the best in the business. Heck I've heard he can tell whether or not your test will go DI without even turning on the polygraph. All he has to know is who is writing the check and how big it is. {wink wink, nudge, nudge say no more}

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posted 10-23-2008 03:36 PM            

I don't think such a test is possible. As if this were an APA member, or member of a legitimate organization, then it would be an ethics violation the participation in which undermines the credibility of the independance of the Examiner. When I think about what the Relevant questions would have to be; it becomes clear to any reasonable person that this Examiner would know who is paying for such a test (Criminal Organization) and that he/she would be in a lose/lose situation. If they pass the individuals and they are undercover, then that organization targets the Examiner as cooperating with law enforcement. If they fail them then the criminal organization may do harm to the undercover law enforcement officer. In either case, the Examiner is compromised as well as our profession.

My God !! A thought just came over me. I hope it is John L. Grogan so that either way he gets what is coming to him from law enforcement (Preferably), or the Mongols (So be it !) !!!

posted 10-23-2008 05:13 PM            

When you stop and consider the information a polygraph examiner in this situation might have against the Mongols then yes he becomes a target, but he also becomes a prime candidate for the witness protection program if he decides to cooperate.

If his name becomes known his polygraph career might be over and it might not. If the examiner, whether he was ever really trained to run polygraph or not, ran these "find a cop" tests for the Mongols then he participated as a co-conspirator in a RICO case which places him on the hook for every single crime listed in the whole 177 page indictment from littering to murder.

This gives ATF a lot of leverage and incentives to use to get him to cut a deal. Otherwise by the time he gets out of prison, he'll be able to sit on a 5 gallon pickle bucket and have both butt cheeks reach the floor.

While I would never have run these tests in the first place, I can assure you that if my ethics had allowed me to run the tests in the first place and then ATF came knocking at my door asking for a favor that would keep me out of jail for the rest of my life then I would not only pass their undercover guys on their polygraphs, I would pass Bill Clinton regarding his presidential BJ and George Maschke for a security clearance. All they would have to do is ask. Man, I have seen prisons I don't intend to live in one.

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posted 10-23-2008 09:44 PM            

No matter what, and just as a professional community, we need to know who did these tests !! If it is Grogan, current or future lawsuits he is in or will be need to list him, or he needs to be questioned about the fact that he is / or was an unindited co-conspirator in a RICO case which give him as much credibility as a felon, as if he had any credibility to begin with.

posted 10-24-2008 05:01 AM            

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